Thursday, January 11, 2007

My conclusion on Calvinism and Arminianism

If you read my last blog I started my conversation about this topic….. Now let me continue.

If we look at the second point of Arminianism it says. “Man’s act of faith was seen as the condition for election to eternal life. Meaning God looked into the future, saw what we choose with our so called free will to choose his grace or not choose his grace, and that’s how we get into heaven.” When you look at Calvinism you see that God decided who would choose him and the Holy Spirit in accordance with HIS WILL for the world. Now let me look at out old friend the bible on this….

Romans 8:28-29 “We know that all things worked together for the good to them that love of God, to them who are called according to HIS purpose, for whom HE FOREKNEW, He also did PREDESTINATE to be conformed to the image of his Son; that he might be firstborn among many brethren, moreover whom he did predestinate, them He also called: and whom he called, them He also Justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.”

Romans 9:11 “ For the children being not yet born, neither having done either good or evil, that the purpose pf God might stand according to election, not or works, but of Him that calleth- it is written, ‘Jacob have I loved, and Esau have I hated’”

Roman’s 9:11 points out that 1) God hatred was of Esau the man
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2) This hatred did not come from the sins Esau committed

This shows us that God loves or hates us not because of what we do, but because he just does. And if he hates us then he wouldn’t let us be moved by the Holy Spirit. This is also present is Timothy 1:9. Also look at John 15:16 where Jesus says, “You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you!” That’s right from the mouth of the Lord!

Now let’s take a look at the third point. Calvinism believes in limited atonement, where as Arminianism supports the idea of universal atonement. This just basically debates if Jesus died for everyone or just a few selected by God. I’m not going to say much about this, because if Jesus did die for everyone and then not everyone choose him, that would make his death pointless, and his promise to save us with his great sacrifice a lie. Jesus did not lie, and his death on that cross did have a point. So… yeah. But if you don’t believe me read John 3:16. It surely doesn’t say that Jesus died for all the people that “chose not to love him because of free will blah blah blah.” BULL SHIT. Jesus died for those who believe in him. That’s all I’m gonna say about it!

Irresistible Grace vs. Constructible Grace comes next. As a Calvinist you believe that when the Holy Spirit comes to you, you can not deny it. That the powers of God are so awesome and his will is so strong so pre determined that once it is meant to happen it does, you can’t say no. But Arminianism likes to say we have a stronger will then God so it is based on our choices not God’s. With God being infallible and totally omnipotent you see the error in this. IF we had more power then God in any area, then he wouldn’t be God, now would he? 2Timothy 1:9 supports this also Galatians 5:17. John 5:21 too. I mean let’s be realistic. We can’t “save ourselves” Only God has the power to grant redemption, if God presented a person with Redemption, of course they would take it. Who’s going to say, “No thanks Jesus, I think I’ll sit over there with the others who would rather burn in hell then except your holy love and grace. But thanks. Oh have my sister send me a post card while you’re up in heaven, and maybe some water for my tongue. Bye” COME ON! I know I must sound like a jerk right now, but in all honesty how can you say that God lacks the power and we hold it. That’s just blasphemy! If God wanted us, he would have us. That’s why he’s God and we are just the pitiful creation.

This one just makes me giggle. Perseverance of the Saints verse Falling from Grace. Aminian’s conclude that because they choose their own fait by accepting God by their own free will that they can just simply chose to let it go and change their minds. Wake up and decide to give up grace. They also believe that because grace is influenced by works of good that a work of sin will cause you to loose your redemption and have to re-seek Gods grace and forgiveness. So, you will see them sin, get “saved”, sin once more, then have to be “resaved.” So you will see an Arminianist go threw this cycle and repeating steps over and over again, till a relationship with God is just a meaningless thing with sin pray baptism, sin pray baptism. So on and so forth. The Calvianists believe that salvation is the work of God, people, being his creation. Once the God “lives in us” he never leaves us, apart from the good or bad of our actions. God promises that he will finish the good works that he started with us, and that is “perseverance of the saints”.

Philippians 1:6 “Being confident of this very thing, that he who hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ”

Ecclesiastes 3:14 “ I know that whatever God doeth, it shall be forever: nothing can be put to it, nor anything taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.”

So my conclusion on everything I have read is Arminianism does not give God his total glory and will send you to hell in the long run of it. I did my best to explain all of this but if I didn’t, then research it yourself. Don’t let me tell you how to love God and what you should or should not believe.



Amen and Peace be with you!

3 comments:

KayMac said...

Gosh Kaylin. You write so well. I am impressed!

Let us remember that the family of God is filled w/ both Arminians and Calvinists.

Kalyn Marie said...

Thanks Kath! And you are right, it very much so is. And as members of one body we do need to respect them, even though we dont agree.

Sara Maria said...

Your explanation of Calvinism would leave someone like me out then. I was totally a freak about church/God/Christianity/Jesus etc for a long time. I decided I did not believe in it anymore. I guess according to what you wrote, I never did believe. I could be misinterpreting it though.